About the Webcast
The webcast featured Sheri Greenhaus (Moderator and Managing
Partner, CrmXchange), Donna Fluss (DMG Consulting LLC), Natalie Perez (CEO and
Founder, Cisne), and Jason Valdina (Senior Director, Verint).
Discussion Highlights
The panel explored why many contact centers continue to rely on legacy KPIs and
emphasized the need to redefine business goals before selecting performance
measures. Panelists agreed that organizations should move beyond traditional
productivity metrics and incorporate outcome-based indicators such as customer
sentiment, customer effort, emotional recovery, and end-to-end journey
performance.
Donna noted that traditional reporting explains what
happened but rarely identifies why. She highlighted the value of conversation
analytics for uncovering root causes and recommending corrective actions. Jason
explained that AI more often delivers gains in capacity, efficiency, and
quality rather than direct headcount reductions, making agent experience and
retention increasingly important KPIs. Natalie encouraged organizations to
distinguish between metrics and true KPIs, focusing on measures that drive
meaningful business outcomes rather than collecting data for its own sake.
Recommendations and Commitments
The panel recommended limiting KPI programs to a focused set of 10 to 15
metrics aligned with clearly defined business objectives. They advocated for
broader adoption of conversation analytics, automated quality management, and
AI-powered tools that automate post-interaction work and provide real-time
agent guidance.
Jason and Natalie also encouraged organizations to
experiment with emerging AI models using anonymized data to combine speech
analytics, quality management, and workforce management insights into a unified
view of performance. Donna stressed the importance of measuring the entire
customer journey and ensuring KPIs not only identify issues but also help
prescribe solutions.
Challenges and Next Steps
The audience represented a wide range of AI maturity levels. While some
organizations have already implemented speech analytics and AI technologies,
many are still in the early stages of adoption. Panelists cautioned against
metric overload and recommended establishing cross-functional governance to
determine which AI-generated measures should become enterprise KPIs.
Suggested next steps included:
- Conducting an inventory of existing metrics and KPIs
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Redefining contact center goals to reflect AI-enabled
capabilities
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Piloting conversation analytics and automated quality
management tools
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Prioritizing a small set of outcome-focused KPIs, such as
revenue per employee, post-interaction effort, emotional recovery, and
automated quality scores
Key Takeaways by Speaker
- Donna Fluss (DMG Consulting LLC): Measure the full customer
journey and ensure KPIs drive actionable, root-cause-based improvements.
- Jason Valdina (Verint): Focus on agent retention, revenue
per employee, and reducing post-interaction work through automation.
- Natalie Perez (Cisne): Track agent emotional recovery and
leverage AI-native workforce management capabilities to improve scheduling,
engagement, and retention.
About the Presenters
Natalie Perez, CEO & Founder, Cisne

Natalie Perez is a veteran CX and marketing strategist known for building companies, shaping industry defining products, and creating patented solutions that address real operational needs. She champions a practical approach to AI—one that strengthens human connection, emotional intelligence, and customer trust.
Jason Valdina, Go-To-Market Senior Director, Verint
Jason
Valdina is an accomplished customer experience professional and is the Senior
Director of Engagement Channel Go To Market Strategy at Verint, a customer
engagement software solutions provider based in New York. As a customer
engagement channel veteran, Mr. Valdina's prior technology endeavors include
social media analytics platform Graphika, live chat and messaging provider
LivePerson, and email marketing automation platform Movable Ink.
Donna Fluss, Founder & President, DMG Consulting LLC

Donna Fluss, Founder and President of DMG Consulting LLC, provides a unique and unparalleled understanding of the people, processes and technology that drive the strategic direction of the dynamic and rapidly transforming contact center and back-office markets. As the foremost analyst and visionary dedicated to the contact center and back-office markets, Donna has provided expert guidance for over 30 years to technology leaders as well as disruptive newcomers, investors, and enterprises that want to build next-generation AI-enabled contact centers.