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Beyond Metrics - From Numbers to Meaningful Outcomes

CrmXchange

Presented By: CrmXchange



Live Date: October 21, 2026. PLEASE SIGN IN FOR THE RECORDING.

Natalie Perez, CEO and Co-Founder, Cisne,

Jason Valdina, Go-To-Market Senior Director, Verint, and

Donna Fluss, Founder & President, DMG Consulting LLC

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About the Webcast

The webcast featured Sheri Greenhaus (Moderator and Managing Partner, CrmXchange), Donna Fluss (DMG Consulting LLC), Natalie Perez (CEO and Founder, Cisne), and Jason Valdina (Senior Director, Verint).

Discussion Highlights
The panel explored why many contact centers continue to rely on legacy KPIs and emphasized the need to redefine business goals before selecting performance measures. Panelists agreed that organizations should move beyond traditional productivity metrics and incorporate outcome-based indicators such as customer sentiment, customer effort, emotional recovery, and end-to-end journey performance.

Donna noted that traditional reporting explains what happened but rarely identifies why. She highlighted the value of conversation analytics for uncovering root causes and recommending corrective actions. Jason explained that AI more often delivers gains in capacity, efficiency, and quality rather than direct headcount reductions, making agent experience and retention increasingly important KPIs. Natalie encouraged organizations to distinguish between metrics and true KPIs, focusing on measures that drive meaningful business outcomes rather than collecting data for its own sake.

Recommendations and Commitments
The panel recommended limiting KPI programs to a focused set of 10 to 15 metrics aligned with clearly defined business objectives. They advocated for broader adoption of conversation analytics, automated quality management, and AI-powered tools that automate post-interaction work and provide real-time agent guidance.

Jason and Natalie also encouraged organizations to experiment with emerging AI models using anonymized data to combine speech analytics, quality management, and workforce management insights into a unified view of performance. Donna stressed the importance of measuring the entire customer journey and ensuring KPIs not only identify issues but also help prescribe solutions.

Challenges and Next Steps
The audience represented a wide range of AI maturity levels. While some organizations have already implemented speech analytics and AI technologies, many are still in the early stages of adoption. Panelists cautioned against metric overload and recommended establishing cross-functional governance to determine which AI-generated measures should become enterprise KPIs.

Suggested next steps included:

  • Conducting an inventory of existing metrics and KPIs
  • Redefining contact center goals to reflect AI-enabled capabilities
  • Piloting conversation analytics and automated quality management tools
  • Prioritizing a small set of outcome-focused KPIs, such as revenue per employee, post-interaction effort, emotional recovery, and automated quality scores

Key Takeaways by Speaker

  • Donna Fluss (DMG Consulting LLC): Measure the full customer journey and ensure KPIs drive actionable, root-cause-based improvements.
  • Jason Valdina (Verint): Focus on agent retention, revenue per employee, and reducing post-interaction work through automation.
  • Natalie Perez (Cisne): Track agent emotional recovery and leverage AI-native workforce management capabilities to improve scheduling, engagement, and retention.

 

About the Presenters

Natalie Perez, CEO & Founder, Cisne

Natalie Perez is a veteran CX and marketing strategist known for building companies, shaping industry defining products, and creating patented solutions that address real operational needs. She champions a practical approach to AI—one that strengthens human connection, emotional intelligence, and customer trust.

Jason Valdina, Go-To-Market Senior Director, Verint

Jason Valdina is an accomplished customer experience professional and is the Senior Director of Engagement Channel Go To Market Strategy at Verint, a customer engagement software solutions provider based in New York.  As a customer engagement channel veteran, Mr. Valdina's prior technology endeavors include social media analytics platform Graphika, live chat and messaging provider LivePerson, and email marketing automation platform Movable Ink.

Donna Fluss, Founder & President, DMG Consulting LLC

Donna Fluss, Founder and President of DMG Consulting LLC, provides a unique and unparalleled understanding of the people, processes and technology that drive the strategic direction of the dynamic and rapidly transforming contact center and back-office markets. As the foremost analyst and visionary dedicated to the contact center and back-office markets, Donna has provided expert guidance for over 30 years to technology leaders as well as disruptive newcomers, investors, and enterprises that want to build next-generation AI-enabled contact centers.